Dean's executive leadership series - pepperdine university / dels 2008-2009
Dean's Executive Leadership Series - 2009-2010 Transcript of Presentation with John Figueroa, President of U.S. Pharmaceuticals for McKesson Corporation About DELS: The Dean's Executive Leadership Series at the
s in-depth audio or video interviews with today's top business practitioners and
thought leaders. e podcasts to hear their views and insight on the current
challenges and opportunities facing the business community.
Dean Linda Livingstone: Well, it's really a privilege to have John Figueroa with us. He's certainly an
exceptional business leader and has done wonderful things at McKesson, but he's an alumnus of
Pepperdine University and of the Graziadio School and I believe he is our first DELS speaker who is an
alumni. So, we're really thrilled to have him here. But, John is the President of McKesson Corporation's
U.S. Pharmaceutical Group. It has more than—well, about $90 billion I understand now in revenue and
operates in 31 states and Puerto Rico, a very significant operation and I believe, and John, correct me if
I'm wrong, McKesson is the second largest company based in California behind Chevron?
John Figueroa: I think we're the third after HP. Dean Linda Livingstone: Okay, HP, but he's based in Southern California and I'm not sure everybody
really knows that. They fly under the radar screen sometimes, but he's been at McKesson for 13 years,
has really helped grow that company, do some exceptional things there. He is a former captain in the
United States Army. He did his undergraduate work at UCLA, but we've forgiven him for that since he
came to Pepperdine to get his MBA. His wife Becky is with him, so we're glad to have you with us, Becky.
He has two children, a daughter who is a freshman in high school and a son who has probably completed
his sophomore year in college, or about, and we also had the privilege of honoring John about a year—
let's see, in December I believe as a distinguished alumnus of the University. So, it is really a privilege to
have John with us and we look forward to hearing what you have to say.
John Figueroa: Well, thank you, Dean Livingstone. It certainly is an honor and a privilege to be here
today. In fact, I think it's actually kind of neat that you asked me to do a presentation on the business of
innovation, especially being here at the heart of Silicon Valley where innovation is known certainly
throughout the world. Before I get into the meat of the presentation and what I want to talk about today
and some of the basics of my speech around innovation in health care, the Dean wanted to make sure
that I at least said a little bit more about myself and how I got to the point of where I'm at today. As Dean
Livingstone mentioned, I am a Pepperdine alum, extremely excited about the past that I had with
Pepperdine and certainly the currently relationship that I have, you know, being on the board. Before I
came to Pepperdine, as she indicated, I served in the military as an officer and my first job out of the
military was with Baxter Healthcare. I did that job for seven years I believe in sales and in operations, and
she also mentioned that I was an undergraduate at UCLA. There, I was a liberal arts undergraduate. I
studied political science and English literature, and I have to say "literature" because my wife who is a
school teacher always says, "You better say 'literature' because you can't spell worth a darn. So, don't
give anybody the impression that you can." But because I had a liberal arts undergraduate degree, when I
was in business, I thought it was necessary to go back to school and get the fundamentals of business
straight, and it was the best decision certainly that I ever made in my career. Why did I choose
Pepperdine? I think the reputation that Pepperdine has around ethics and values and business was
something that attracted me to the school in a very big way. I will also tell you that if I look back on that
education, I think the time and the classes that I enjoyed more than any were the strategy classes;
strategy and the theory and the practice around innovation. And as I, you know, look back, you know,
there's really no coincidence that I choose McKesson for my love on strategy and innovation. I was also
told in giving a history of who I am and where I've come from that I should show you a picture of when I
graduated way back when and, you know, when I looked at my Pepperdine graduation picture I still didn't
have hair. When I look at my UCLA graduation picture, I still didn't have hair. So, I went all the way back
to high school to show all my colleagues here from McKesson that yes, I did have hair at one point. So,
let me now talk a little bit about our business at McKesson. We run the U.S. pharmaceutical business and
it is the largest pharmaceutical distribution not only in America, but in North America. We have the largest
distribution network here in Mexico and in Canada. We supply about 45 percent of all of North America's
medications. We do that in every state and we do that in every province and every part of North America.
We do it on a regular basis every day. What we get real excited about is, you know, what we contribution
to the corporation. The U.S. pharmaceutical business represents about 90 percent of the top line for the
McKesson Corporation and about 86 percent of the gross profit. So, the four primary segments that I am
responsible for are the national and retail drug chains, the independent pharmacies, the hospitals and
institutional providers and the mail orders for those large PBMs that send medications through mail. Most
people know McKesson as a distribution and we have done that for 177 years. We are, I believe, the third
oldest company in the New York Stock Exchange and the oldest company in health care and I always like
to talk about my very first day at McKesson. I was so excited when I came to McKesson. I could not wait
to start and I remember getting up early and going to work and so fired up and went to work that day and I
came back and my wife who knew I was so excited about working for McKesson, I came home and she
said, "Well? Well? How was your first day at work?" I said, "You know, sweetie, McKesson is 166 years
old and I think I met some of the original employees there." And I said that because it was a distribution
company and what we did, 99 percent of everything we did day-in and day-out was to deliver
pharmaceuticals to a retail store. We weren't in the hospital sector yet. We weren't in mail order. We
weren't in technology. We weren't in information systems. We weren't doing anything but moving product
from point A to point B. But what was exciting about the company at that point was, even though there
was a sense that we've been doing the same thing and we've been doing it well for a long time, there was
a sense of newness to the company because we were acquiring new businesses and we began a focus
of health care. We started to sell off companies that had nothing to do with health care and acquire
companies that would connect us at some point to every aspect of health care and not just in distribution,
but in anything that we can touch when it comes to health care. And, we have grown that company
substantially over the last 14 years to the point where we are the 14th largest company in America. Now,
just to give you a snapshot of some of the things that we have evolved in, we certainly deliver our
pharmaceutical supplies, but we also deliver all medical-surgical supplies throughout the entire spectrum
of care. We are in health IT. We are in health IT for hospitals and physicians, just about any space where
there is a computer system to run health care. About 50 percent of all the systems in this country are run
by McKesson Pharmacy Automation, so any time you walk into a hospital and you see a robot or anything
that touches medication, bar code technology, anything whatsoever— McKesson. And, services to
manufacturers to make sure that we get that product from point A to point B from the manufacturing
facility all the way down to the patient at the right time, the right place every single time, as well as
payers, which is a big industry now because we used to have a bunch of payers that we dealt with, but
the government is quickly becoming one of the largest payers and potentially even larger as things have
changed in the political arena lately. We have a number of programs that touch that segment as well. So,
we touch every spot that you could possibly imagine when it comes to health care, as well as deliver
programs to benefit the delivery of care whether you're a doctor, you're a nurse, you're a pharmacist or
anybody in the system. So, what is our goal? Our ultimate goal is to improve the quality, the safety, and
the efficiency of the entire health-care system for everybody who touches it— small goal. Our focus
continues to be changing dramatically day-to-day. You can't pick up a paper or watch the news without
hearing some change in health care or prospective change in health care. And so, you know, we don't
know what health care's going to look like by the end of 2010 let alone what it's going to look like in 2011
or 2012, but we certainly have to be ready to make that impact and to innovate to make sure that we are
doing the right things for our consumers. For someone who has worked in health care for two decades, I
feel strongly that we are at a critical juncture for new innovation in health care and I'll tell you why and
here's the number one reason why you have to look at this industry and understand that innovation is
going to be critical. There are mistakes made in health care constantly, and we have, believe it or not, you
hear a lot of stuff in the news, we have the best health-care system in the world— period. But, we make a
tremendous amount of mistakes. In fact, according to the Institute of Medicine, medical errors are
responsible for over 98,000 deaths every year, more than AIDS, breast cancer, or car accidents. It is a
very large issue in our country, and let me put it in perspective for you. This normally brings it home. It's
like a 747 crashing every day. So, imagine going home from work on a Monday and turning on the
television set and there's a 747 that crashed at SFO. I mean that would be unbelievably sad and it would
certainly capture the attention of everybody in this country. Then you come home from work on Tuesday
and there's a 747 that crashed again at SFO. Wednesday, a 747 crashed at SFO. How many of you
would jump on a plane on Thursday? Nobody, but yet we continue to walk into the health-care system.
We continue to expect the best of quality that we deserve and yet, these errors are happening on a
regular basis and a 747 is crashing every day. It's astounding, even more so when you realize that they're
all preventable; that we have the technology, we have the ability, we have the things in place today that
can simply erase a number of these errors on a regular basis. So, the industry of health care is certainly
the industry of innovation and when you look at the debate around health care and the debate around
quality of health care, cost, efficiencies, etc., it started, I think, to really gain steam in the Clinton
administration. We have debated this and we've talked about it for a number of years in a number of
ways, but let me try to lay out the core things that we as an industry and as individuals can do to help
advance the health-care system. Now, I can't take all the credit for this. I think the industry has been
going back and forth, talking about what are the key elements to get this done. I was actually at a Bain
consulting conference about two months ago in New York and I have to tell you that they talked about
some of these points, so I want to give them some credit for actually setting the table on how to describe
the three key elements that can help us change health care. The first is the delivery of care and how we
can make it safer and more efficient within the system. The second is consumer behavior and how we
can influence healthy decisions made by individuals, which I think is going to be key to the change within
health care, and the third is connectivity and how advanced technologies and systems can propel our
industry forward in a way that the industry has never been able to do so before. So, let's start with the
delivery of care. As you know, we have a long way to go in improving the delivery of care and it's
something that the government is trying to address. With all of the billions of dollars that they have laid
out in stimulus plans and a variety of other programs over the last year, year and a half, one program that
they actually put into place that isn't well known is the Health Information Technology Stimulus. And what
the government did was they put aside $19 billion worth of funds for anybody in the health-care system
who touches Medicare or Medicaid from an information technology perspective. They want this to be
spent over the next five years. Why? Because even the government understands that with technology
you can increase safety and decrease costs pretty quickly and if can implement the technologies and the
right technologies quickly, you begin to get that platform of increasing quality and decreasing costs. So,
what McKesson is doing is innovating around this call to action and making sure that we have the right
types of programs that our customers can use and adapt to move this system forward. Now, let me
describe it for you. We have bar code scanning, automation that I talked about, unit dose packaging. We
basically take that drug that we used to move boxes from point A to point B back when I met the 166-
year-old employee and now we can deliver it anyway you want. We can deliver it in consumer packaging,
unit dose. It is bar coded every step of the way and we can track it. If you're a patient in one of our
hospitals, we can bar code you. We can bar code the nurse. Every time something happens it is tracked
on the system so that no mistakes happen throughout the entire supply chain. So, those are some of the
things that we are doing from a delivery-of-care perspective and getting the right technology in place to
make sure that there are no errors that are taking place. I will also tell you that I get really excited when I
look at what can be done in different settings. You know, we have a number of physicians today, but not
enough and as health care continues to move forward, I think we are looking at a massive shortage of
doctors moving forward. I don't think that's a big secret; I think it's a big problem. But, the delivery of care
can change and it has been changing. The evolution of that has been changing pretty steadily over the
last couple of years. Nurse practitioners have a lot more responsibility today than they did five years ago.
In fact, delivery of care has changed from a doctor's office to supermarkets today or any other type of
drug chain facility where you can actually put a small clinic in the corner of a facility. You could take care
of sports physicals. You can take care of somebody who has a cough or a cold. Pharmacists are evolving
to the point where they're actually tracking a patient, tracking a diabetic patient, working with a diabetic
patient, doing medication therapy management every time the patient walks in to the store. The beautiful
thing about this and why it's changing so rapidly is the pharmacist is now getting paid for doing this.
They've always been that health-care professional who's been in your neighborhood, but they've always
been behind the counter counting as many pills as they possibly could because the only way they got
paid was every time they gave you your prescription, they got paid a reimbursement. Today, there's a
room where they can talk to you about your medication and help you stay on your medication. We call
that medication adherence. So, if you are prescribed, you know, medication that you stay on the
medication. And why is that important? When you talk about the cost of a patient, costs go through the
roof when you're in the hospital. As soon as you walk into the emergency room and as soon as you walk
into that hospital, costs as a payer go through the roof. If I keep you on your medication, you will stay out
of the ER, you will stay out of the hospital, and it's a tremendous savings. What's unique is statistics today
tell us that 25 percent of all Americans actually take their prescription from beginning to end. So, 75
percent of us actually grab it from the doctor's office and say, "Great, doc. I'm going to the pharmacy, no
problem." Some of them never make it to the pharmacy. Those who do, get it once, they have about three
pills and they say, "I'm not going to do this anymore." So, the bottom line is, they stop. If we can move
that number from 25 percent to 35 percent, it makes a tremendous difference in what we're trying to do
and in keeping people healthy. So, I'm going to talk a little bit about medication adherence a little bit later.
So, why are we failing on the medication adherence piece? Or why is it difficult for folks to stay on it? And
there's where I think we need to talk about that individual accountability. Let's face it, nobody likes taking
their medication every day. Nobody likes going to the doctor. I mean how many of you have heard friends
say, "I got a physical 10 years ago. What do I need to go to the doctor for?" We don't like doing those
types of things and in human nature, two things: Denial—"I really don't need my Lipitor. I feel the same
when I don't take my Lipitor as when I do take my Lipitor. It doesn't make me feel any different;"
Procrastination— "You know, I'll get to it in a year. I'll really change my lifestyle." It is extremely difficult for
adults to stay on their regimen. What's even more scary is what has been happening to the health of our
children. My wife who is a mother and also a teacher, you know, one of her pet peeves is the fact that
public schools have taken physical education out of the school system. If you remember, when we were
all kids, it was a mandatory hour every single day whether you liked it or not. Today, we don't have any of
that stuff, so it's even more difficult for kids to continue to stay healthy. The CDC came out with some
statistics that are pretty alarming. Thirty-three percent of our children in America are overweight, 67
percent of Americans in total are overweight, 21 million Americans have diabetes and another 785,000
Americans had heart attacks last year. The demographics are continuing to go up, they're continuing to
look uglier year after year, and there's no doubt that the correlation between that and health-care costs is
one of the drivers that we have to deal with in the industry. So, we have to begin to take that personal
responsibility and utilize the tools that are necessary to stay healthy. So, going back to my earlier
discussion on retail pharmacy, retail pharmacists can begin to help here and one of the innovations at
McKesson that we have been leading the charge with is making sure that that trusted health-care
profession in every year they're either number one or number two, one of the most trusted professions in
America today is a pharmacist. Let's utilize that and get them more involved in health care on a regular
basis to help with the initiative. We have a variety of programs. I talked about having the computer
systems just about everywhere in the health-care system. Well, those computer systems connect to the
payer, to the doctor, to the patient, real-time information. So, what we can do now in this industry, and
there are a number of companies that do this, not just McKesson—you have the ability to walk into a
pharmacist and when you give them your name and you give them your prescription, they already know
what payer you're connected to. When they see that medication and disease state, they can actually put
you on a program where they can keep you on that medication or walk you through any of the issues with
the medication on a regular basis and keep that communication. Now, what does that do? Well, we've
been doing this for about three years now and the statistics tell us that we have increased the penetration
of prescription use by 44 percent of those patients who walked in. So, that patient who walked in took
three pills and said, "Forget it. I'm not going to do it anymore," 40 percent of those folks who were not
being compliant on their medication are now compliant on their medication, utilizing the services of the
pharmacist. So, there is an awful lot of momentum here and it's a win-win-win situation. The patient wins
because they're healthier; the pharmacist wins now because they're getting reimbursed by the payer, and
certainly, you know, the manufacturer and the supply chain wins because there's more product going
through the supply chain. You know, this all started back in 1996, a project called the Ashville Project
where the community actually tied people, city employees to pharmacists and tracked disease states like
diabetes and showed a tremendous amount of savings. So, we've known this for 14 years. So, you know,
I talk about innovation and I get excited about what we're doing here, but we've known about it for 14
years. If the innovation is going to take 14 years to get to market, we're going to be in a little bit of trouble.
So, what we have to do is utilize the systems in place. The biggest thing that kept this from happening
was payers were reluctant to pay pharmacists for the service and so the service wasn't happening, but
the payers have seen the return on keeping people healthy and keeping them out of the hospital, which
has made a tremendous difference. As an employer at McKesson, we feel it's a huge responsibility and a
responsibility that we have embraced and accepted to take care of our employees. It's in our best interest
and it's the best interest of the employees to continue to do this. For example, this last fall, we introduced
a consumer-driven health-care plan for the first time. Without going into any detail, this plan allows
employees to look and have control about the dollars that are given to them by McKesson and how they
spend them in the health-care system on a regular basis. We also provide employees a variety of health
and wellness services, including gym reimbursement, online health tools, medication adherence services
that I talked about, and we sponsor a number of corporate events such as health walks, like we did last
month for a diabetes walk with the ADA. So, my third area of innovation is really that connectivity piece
and I think that's really where it comes down to the wire and what has to be done. This is the key. This is
really the future of where we're at or where we're going to be with health care. Here's another example I
love to give that I think really brings home what we're dealing with. Those of you who've been in a hospital
before or, you know, the example I used is when my son broke his arm, you know, 10 years ago. I mean,
what do you do? I mean, he broke his arm, so the first thing you do is you run him to the emergency
room. So, you go to the emergency room and there's somebody there with a clipboard and they say,
"Okay, what's your son's name? what's your name? What insurance do you have? Do I know if he's
allergic to anything?" They ask you about 10-12 normal questions when you walk into the ER. You finally
get past that person. You walk in and the doctor walks in and says, "So, what's your name again, what's
your insurance, are you allergic to anything?" Another clipboard, another piece of paper. Well then, they
move you to the radiology department and you do the same thing. You go through about four or five
departments within the hospital. You see four or five nurses. Then the next day you go see your own
doctor and everybody had a clipboard with a piece of paper asking you the exact same question. Then
the worst part about it is, 30 days later you get about seven bills from all the seven different departments
that you saw. Nobody knows what the heck is going on because there's a clipboard with a piece of paper
that is tracking you through the entire system. When we talk about connectivity, what we're talking about
is having the information at the fingertips for any health-care professional who is in the system at any
time. So, the minute you walk in anywhere in the country or in any doctor's office or any nurse sees you,
all you have to do is give them your name, your insurance number, and everything pops up the way it's
supposed to so that they can take care of you immediately for the individual needs and individual issues
that are addressed at that time. So, you know, the future of the industry certainly needs to be moving
forward and moving forward quickly. Innovation for McKesson, we have all the systems that do that
connectivity. Innovation for me that gets me excited, remember, I run that pharmacy distribution piece.
So, what's my big innovation? My big innovation is electronic prescribing. So, any time there is a doctor
who says you need Lipitor, I want that doctor to say, "Where are you picking it up?" "I'm picking it up at
the local Health Mart, drug store." "Hey, that's wonderful." They press a little button and that immediately
goes to that local pharmacy. You walk into the pharmacy and you get your prescription. No more chicken
scratch. You know, those 98,000 errors? There's a chunk of those errors—have you ever read one of
those prescriptions? Tell me you could read one of those prescriptions. You cannot read any of those
prescriptions, but you think the pharmacist can— "Well, the pharmacist knows what this is. No problem."
The pharmacist calls back the doctor 30 percent of the time because they can't read it. How ridiculous is
that? Electronic prescribing is here. It's available. You know, the process can work now and in fact, it is
being used on a regular basis. So, more connectivity and let me go back to that ER example. So, you
know, you had all that broken arm issue. Well, there's a hospital in Ohio by the name of Dublin Methodist
Hospital that is utilizing all of this technology today. It's the hospital of the future. We call it our paperless
hospital. Now, imagine this. Instead of that broken arm scenario, you're walking into a hospital. There isn't
a human greeting you. There's a kiosk that greets you. You walk up to the kiosk, you punch in your name,
you punch in your health code and what it does at that point is it tracks you. It gives you a bar code
number. The nurse comes down, greets you, takes you wherever you need to go to the hospital and that
bar code that you just put on is scanned everywhere you go. The information immediately goes into the
system. The doctors, the nurses have handhelds everywhere they go, in every room that they go, and
they can track everything that's happening. So, if you're in a hospital for three days and you have to have
a regimen of four or five medications a day, what the system does is tracks it and stops any mistakes
from happening— wrong doses, wrong time. Anything that can cause one of those 98,000 deaths is
tracked on the system. Now, it sounds awesome. It's actually unbelievable when you put the system in
and you put a chair and you sit at the end of an aisle of a hospital and you just listen to the beeps. Every
30 seconds, beep-beep-beep-beep— "Don't do that," beep-beep-beep-beep and you sit there and you
wonder all these mistakes that would have happened if it wasn't for the system that's tracking everything
that's going on on a regular basis. It's kind of scary. Not one single pencil in this hospital. Everything is
done electronically. So, that's what I'm talking about when it comes to connectivity. I'm also talking about
connectivity between you the patient and your doctor, which I think is critical connectivity. How many of
you actually e-mail your physician? That's actually a lot better than I thought, about a third of you, and I
will tell you that 50 percent to 60 percent of you actually have the ability to do it and your doctor is already
set up to do it. Next time you talk to them, ask them to get set up on the system. You can talk to them at
any time. You can ask them questions. You can get lab results. You can track your electronic health care
record if you're in a closed system. That is the first step for you as an individual to get a little closer to the
health-care system and have that tracked. So, these are the types of things and the type of innovation in
health care that I think will be critical to all of us moving forward. These are the three core strategies that I
certainly wanted to talk about today. So, you know, what I want to end with is the fact that it's here.
There's $19 billion that is available for folks to use. The technology is there and quite frankly, if there's a
call to action that I ask of you, it's that you should be angry whenever you walk into your doctor's office or
you go to a hospital and they pull out that clipboard and that piece of paper and they're not tracking you
with all the technology that's available today. You should be angry with that physician and ask them why.
You should be angry with that pharmacist and ask them why they're not asking to counsel you if you have
a disease state that you'd like some more information on. By gosh, you should really be angry if you have
give 10 different people answers when you're in a hospital. So, I hope with this presentation that you walk
away with a better understanding of innovation within health care and how it's driving some critical
changes as we continue to move forward. But, like health care, every industry is demanding and I would
tell you that whether you're in health care or any other industry, innovation would be the key to your
success and certainly the key to moving forward and looking at things in an entirely new way. Just
remember my call. Whether you're a professional in health care or you're in an individual, demand the
professionalism and the best technology that we have to offer. Your safety, the safety of your children and
your parents certainly depend on it. So, thank you for your time.
Iranian Journal of Pharmaceutical Research (2003) 111-115 Received: January 2002 Accepted: May 2003 Photostability Determination of Commercially Available Nifedipine Oral Dosage Forms in Iran Katayoun Javidnia * a,b , Ramin Miri a,b , Ladan Movahed b , Shohreh Golrangi b aMedicinal & Natural Products Chemistry Research Centre, Shiraz University of The Medical Sciences, Shiraz, I